{"id":9050,"date":"2012-09-04T22:24:50","date_gmt":"2012-09-04T19:24:50","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.columbofil.net\/stiri\/?p=9050"},"modified":"2012-09-05T10:17:29","modified_gmt":"2012-09-05T07:17:29","slug":"lansarea-de-la-derby-%e2%80%9eamsteten%e2%80%9d-%e2%80%93-explica%c8%9bii","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.columbofili.ro\/stiri\/?p=9050","title":{"rendered":"LANSAREA DE LA DERBY \u201eAMSTETEN\u201d \u2013 EXPLICA\u021aII"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-8978 alignleft\" title=\"amstet\" src=\"http:\/\/www.columbofil.net\/stiri\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/08\/amstet.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"166\" height=\"127\" \/><\/p>\n<p><strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">Update:<\/span><\/strong><br \/>\nDup\u0103 apari\u021bia articolului, am mai primit ni\u0219te telefoane de la persoane credibile.<br \/>\nConform acestora, tot comitetul asocia\u021biei Timi\u0219 a fost pentru lansare la 10:30.<br \/>\nA\u0219adar, lansarea s-a f\u0103cut la 10:30 la decizia comitetului de organizare zonal, format din T\u0103nase, Oka, Tunduc \u0219i Erdei.<\/p>\n<p>&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..<\/p>\n<p>Azi \u0219tim cu to\u021bii c\u0103 decizia lans\u0103rii de la Amstetten a fost una eronat\u0103. Dup\u0103 principiul \u201escap\u0103 cine poate\u201d, au \u00eenceput acuzele.<\/p>\n<p>Nu a\u0219 fi scris acest articol, pentru c\u0103 problemele Comitetului de organizare  din Zona de Vest sunt vechi \u0219i a\u0219 fi preferat s\u0103 le discut\u0103m la \u00eent\u00e2lnirea zonal\u0103, dar telefoanele primite azi \u0219i ieri m-au f\u0103cut s\u0103 fac acest lucru.<br \/>\n\u00cens\u0103 la nivelul ZONEI 1,toate deciziile bune sau rele s-au luat mereu prin vot, \u0219i nu exist\u0103 nici o persoan\u0103 care s\u0103 poat\u0103 fi acuzat\u0103 singur\u0103, de nici o lansare.<!--more--><\/p>\n<p>Astfel, din telefoanele primite, am aflat c\u0103 se vorbe\u0219te \u00een special \u00een Timi\u0219oara c\u0103 eu a\u0219 fi cel care a decis de unul singur lansarea porumbeilor.<\/p>\n<p>S\u0103 o lu\u0103m cu \u00eenceputul:<br \/>\nIeri diminea\u021b\u0103 m-a sunat Marian Ilie, (singurul nume pe care \u00eel dau, pentru c\u0103 suntem prieteni \u0219i cred c\u0103 nu se va supara), nervos, \u00eentreb\u00e2ndu-m\u0103 de ce nu am lansat la 9:30, pentru c\u0103 el a aflat c\u0103: soarele era pe cer, dar c\u0103 eu m-am opus \u0219i c\u0103 \u0219oferul nostru ar fi vrut s\u0103-l bat\u0103 pe delegatul Timi\u0219ului, care, chipurile, ar fi vrut s\u0103 de-a drumul la porumbei.<br \/>\nI-am zis: \u201eMariane, decizia de a lansa la 10:30 a apar\u021binut comitetului din care fac \u0219i eu parte \u0219i eu chiar am aten\u021bionat c\u0103 \u0219oferul nostru mi-a zis c\u0103 vremea nu este cum trebuie.\u201d Nici m\u0103car nu s-a luat \u00een calcul ora 9:30, pentru c\u0103 toat\u0103 lumea \u0219tia c\u0103 e cea\u021b\u0103. C\u00e2t prive\u0219te gluma cu b\u0103taia, \u0219oferul nostru nu cred c\u0103 e \u00een stare s\u0103 bat\u0103 pe cineva la c\u00e2t e de bl\u00e2nd.<\/p>\n<p>Au urmat alte telefoane, culmin\u00e2nd acum c\u00e2teva ore cu unul, al unui alt prieten, care \u00eemi zice: \u201eToat\u0103 Timi\u0219oara zice c\u0103 tu ai for\u021bat lansarea, c\u0103 T\u0103nase s-a opus vehement \u0219i c\u0103 tu ai decis singur.\u201d<br \/>\nHopa, zic! Adic\u0103 acelea\u0219i procedee din var\u0103, c\u00e2nd la etapele proaste, cei care au for\u021bat lansarea, dup\u0103, c\u00e2nd a fost prost, d\u0103deau vina pe al\u021bii!!!<\/p>\n<p>Poate cele pe care le-am aflat telefonic sunt adev\u0103rate, poate nu. \u00cens\u0103 e normal s\u0103 spunem adev\u0103rul.<\/p>\n<p>S\u0103 lu\u0103m a\u0219adar ziua de duminic\u0103, la pas:<br \/>\nLa ora 7:40, eram la Hotel Astoria Arad \u0219i m-a sunat \u0219oferul nostru, care mi-a zis: \u201eMarius, ce facem, c\u0103 e cea\u021b\u0103 foarte deas\u0103, nu se v\u0103d mun\u021bii \u00een fa\u021b\u0103, vizibilitate proast\u0103, etc.\u201d \u2013 R\u0103spund: \u201eNu facem nimic, a\u0219tept\u0103m s\u0103 se ridice cea\u021ba!\u201d<br \/>\nImediat, l-am sunat pe Costel T\u0103nase, pre\u0219edintele comitetului de organizare. Mi-a zis: \u201e\u0218tiu, c\u0103 am vorbit cu delegatul. Ne auzim peste o or\u0103, c\u0103 mai repede oricum nu avem \u0219anse de lansare.\u201d<br \/>\nLa ora 9:00, am vorbit cu \u0219oferul  \u0219i situa\u021bia era la fel. \u0218i apoi, cu Costel, \u0219i am convenit c\u0103 ne auzim \u00een jur de 9:30.<br \/>\nLa 9:30, la fel, cea\u021b\u0103 persistent\u0103.<br \/>\nLa ora 9:50 \u2013 9:55, Costel T\u0103nase m-a sunat \u0219i mi-a spus c\u0103 a vorbit cu Erdei \u0219i  s\u0103 lans\u0103m la 10:15. I-am transmis c\u0103, potrivit a ceea ce \u00ee-mi spunea \u0219oferul nostru, nu se va lumina \u00een urm\u0103toarele 20 de minute \u0219i c\u0103 eu a\u0219 fi pentru cel mai repede la 10:30. Nervos, Costel mi-a replicat c\u0103 distrugem porumbeii dac\u0103 mai a\u0219tept\u0103m \u0219i c\u0103 e de acord cu 10:30, cu condi\u021bia c\u0103, dac\u0103 la 10:30 nu lans\u0103m, s\u0103 st\u0103m p\u00e2n\u0103 a doua zi.<br \/>\nZic: \u201eHai s\u0103 vorbim cu oamenii din teren pe la 10:15, s\u0103 vedem ce e acolo, c\u0103 vremea nu e de lansat \u0219i facem o catastrof\u0103 mare.\u201d<br \/>\nLa 10:15 am vorbit cu \u0219oferul meu, care cu jum\u0103tate de gura mi-a zis c\u0103 vremea e \u201ea\u0219a \u0219i-a\u0219a, nu prea bun\u0103.\u201d<br \/>\nImediat dup\u0103, m-a sunat Costel \u0219i mi-a zis c\u0103 a vorbit cu Erdei \u0219i c\u0103 \u0219i Erdei e pentru 10:30, a\u0219a cum mi-am dorit eu mai \u00eenainte \u0219i s\u0103 d\u0103m drumul. Zic: \u201eCostel, vezi c\u0103 \u0219oferul meu nu mi-a zis c\u0103 e bine.\u201d Costel T\u0103nase \u00eens\u0103 a continuat, zic\u00e2nd c\u0103 are \u0219i el delegat \u00een teren \u0219i c\u0103 deja sunt 2 la 1 la vot \u0219i c\u0103 \u0219i Aradul  vrea s\u0103 se lanseze azi, c\u00e2t mai repede, s\u0103 nu omor\u00e2m porumbeii \u00een ma\u0219in\u0103.<br \/>\nOk, am zis, la 10:30 lans\u0103m atunci, \u00eens\u0103 va fi o etap\u0103 foarte grea!<\/p>\n<p>Dup\u0103 \u00eenchiderea convorbirii, mi-a c\u0103zut semnalul \u0219i efectiv nu am putut contacta \u0219oferul pentru a lansa la 10:30. La 10:33 mi-a venit semnalul  la telefon \u0219i l-am sunat pe Costel, spun\u00e2ndu-i de problema cu telefonul. Mi-a zis c\u0103 a vorbit el cu delegatul \u0219i s-a lansat. Ok zic, foarte bine, Doamne ajut\u0103!<br \/>\nAm \u00eencheiat cu tachin\u0103ri despre cine va lua ma\u0219ina, etc etc.<\/p>\n<p>La ora 12, m-a sunat Paul Erdei, care m-a \u00eentrebat de ce am lansat la 10:30. P\u0103i zic, \u201eCostel mi-a zis c\u0103 \u0219i tu ai fost de acord cu asta!\u201d<br \/>\nA continuat: \u201eNu este adev\u0103rat! Eu am cerut s\u0103 lans\u0103m la 10:00, dac\u0103 se poate, dac\u0103 nu dup\u0103 12.00, pentru c\u0103 la 10:30 sunt \u0219anse ca cei cu 500 s\u0103 aib\u0103 porumbei \u00een prima zi, iar eu la 600 nu am nici o \u0219ans\u0103.  Iar s-a for\u021bat c\u0103 bate v\u00e2ntul \u00een jos\u2026. Si trebuia s\u0103 lans\u0103m s\u0103 c\u00e2\u0219tige \u0103ia\u2026.\u201d<br \/>\nM\u0103i, zic, \u201emie a\u0219a mi s-a spus, iar la 10 era \u00eenc\u0103 cea\u021b\u0103 \u0219i la 10:30 era destul de r\u0103u \u0219i, colac peste pup\u0103z\u0103, au plecat porumbeii spre Germania.\u201d (acest aspect urmeaz\u0103 s\u0103 fie discutat la \u0219edin\u021ba zonal\u0103)<\/p>\n<p>Nu mi se pare normal ca dup\u0103, unii s\u0103 afirme (dac\u0103 este a\u0219a), c\u0103 ei de fapt s-au opus lans\u0103rii \u0219i c\u0103 eu a\u0219 fi decis singur!!! Suntem un comitet format din T\u0103nase, Oka, Tunduc \u0219i Erdei \u0219i suntem principalii vinova\u021bi pentru aceast\u0103 etap\u0103 catastrofal\u0103!<br \/>\nDe aici \u0219i p\u00e2n\u0103 a ajunge la discu\u021bii cu \u201esorele de la 9\u201d, b\u0103t\u0103i \u0219i mai \u0219tiu eu ce, e cale lung\u0103.<br \/>\nPersonal, consider c\u0103 vina pentru aceast\u0103 etap\u0103 se datoareaz\u0103 urm\u0103torilor factori:<br \/>\nLipsa comunic\u0103rii \u00een comitetul de organizare. Unii vor s\u0103 fie \u0219efi, f\u0103r\u0103 s\u0103-\u0219i asume r\u0103spunderi.<br \/>\nLansarea \u00een condi\u021bii ne-prielnice complet, pe principiul \u201emor porumbeii dac\u0103 \u00eei lans\u0103m mai t\u00e2rziu\u201d.<br \/>\nTrimiterea unui delegat lipsit de experien\u021b\u0103, f\u0103r\u0103 capacitatea de a putea transmite \u0219i lua decizii singur.<br \/>\nIndolen\u021ba unor jude\u021be care atunci c\u00e2nd am insistat s\u0103 aplic\u0103m principiile \u201eManualului de lansare a lui Breemen\u201d, au ripostat c\u0103 este dep\u0103\u0219it \u0219i c\u0103 Olanda are alt\u0103 clim\u0103.<br \/>\nLipsa delegatului lansator, care din nou \u00ee\u0219i bate joc de noi, dup\u0103p ce \u00een prim\u0103var\u0103 ne-a \u021binut prin sta\u021bii PECO, \u0219i ne-a dus diminea\u021ba la locul de lansare, acum nu a venit la lansare, de\u0219i se vorbise cu el.<br \/>\nExisten\u021ba unor fenomene ciudate care au f\u0103cut ca porumbeii s\u0103 plece gre\u0219it.<br \/>\nPersonal, ca unul care am votat, \u00eemi cer scuze cresc\u0103torilor participan\u021bi, \u00eens\u0103 atunci p\u0103rea totu\u0219i o decizie bunicic\u0103  \u0219i nimeni nu putea s\u0103 prevad\u0103 ceea ce se va \u00eent\u00e2mpla.<br \/>\nC\u00e2t prieve\u0219te \u201eprognosticul\u201d meu de la \u00eembarcare, el se baza pe condi\u021biile meteo \u0219i pe desf\u0103\u0219urarea de p\u00e2n\u0103 atunci a zborurilor cu puii pentru zona noastr\u0103. Dac\u0103 la 300 de km ne-au venit puii \u00een 2 zile, oare cum puteau veni de la 600?!?<br \/>\nAm aflat de pe alte site-uri despre un incident petrecut la \u00eembarcare \u00eentre c\u00e2\u021biva cresc\u0103tori bihoreni, dl Mermezan de la Timi\u0219oara \u0219i alte c\u00e2teva persoane. M\u0103rturisesc c\u0103 am ajuns foarte t\u00e2rziu la \u00eembarcare \u0219i nici C\u0103lin Habaci \u0219i nici Mermezan Lucian, cu care am stat acolo aproape dou\u0103 zile, nu mi-au zis nimic, dar la \u0219edin\u021ba zonal\u0103 voi invita persoanele implicate, pentru a vedea care este adev\u0103rul \u0219i dac\u0103 este cazul, s\u0103 lu\u0103m m\u0103suri regulamentare.<br \/>\nNu a\u0219 fi vrut s\u0103 fac publice aceste discu\u021bii, a\u0219a cum nu le-am f\u0103cut nici pe cele din var\u0103, \u00eens\u0103 cred c\u0103 e timpul s\u0103 ne asum\u0103m faptele \u00een zon\u0103, nu s\u0103 d\u0103m vina pe Tunduc \u0219i atunci c\u00e2nd el e \u00eempotriva unei lans\u0103ri care iese prost \u0219i atunci c\u00e2nd nu ies kilometrii unor cresc\u0103tori din Timi\u0219 la primele trei fonduri \u0219i \u00een alte situa\u021bii.<br \/>\nPoate cele primite telefonic nu sunt adev\u0103rate, \u00eensa e bine s\u0103 l\u0103s\u0103m cresc\u0103torii s\u0103 vad\u0103 cum se iau deciziile.<br \/>\nOricum, dup\u0103 acest an, politica jude\u021bului Bihor cu privire la lans\u0103ri se va schimba radical, sper  eu, \u00een bine!<\/p>\n<p><em>Cu respect pentru to\u021bi columbofilii corec\u021bi,<br \/>\nMarius Tunduc, Pre\u0219edinte Ac. \u201eVoiajorul Bihor\u201d<\/em><\/p>\n<p>&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.<\/p>\n<p><em> <\/em> Mai jos, g\u0103si\u021bi c\u00e2teva filmule\u021be cu lansarea porumbeilor, desigilare, etc&#8230;<\/p>\n<p><object classid=\"clsid:d27cdb6e-ae6d-11cf-96b8-444553540000\" width=\"480\" height=\"350\" codebase=\"http:\/\/download.macromedia.com\/pub\/shockwave\/cabs\/flash\/swflash.cab#version=6,0,40,0\"><param name=\"src\" value=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/v\/Z3Qia-s0sxU&amp;feature\" \/><embed type=\"application\/x-shockwave-flash\" width=\"480\" height=\"350\" src=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/v\/Z3Qia-s0sxU&amp;feature\"><\/embed><\/object><\/p>\n<p><object classid=\"clsid:d27cdb6e-ae6d-11cf-96b8-444553540000\" width=\"480\" height=\"350\" codebase=\"http:\/\/download.macromedia.com\/pub\/shockwave\/cabs\/flash\/swflash.cab#version=6,0,40,0\"><param name=\"src\" value=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/v\/NoWcLRzjbZs&amp;feature\" \/><embed type=\"application\/x-shockwave-flash\" width=\"480\" height=\"350\" src=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/v\/NoWcLRzjbZs&amp;feature\"><\/embed><\/object><\/p>\n<p><object classid=\"clsid:d27cdb6e-ae6d-11cf-96b8-444553540000\" width=\"480\" height=\"350\" codebase=\"http:\/\/download.macromedia.com\/pub\/shockwave\/cabs\/flash\/swflash.cab#version=6,0,40,0\"><param name=\"src\" value=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/v\/B4Ny9SMfABw&amp;feature\" \/><embed type=\"application\/x-shockwave-flash\" width=\"480\" height=\"350\" src=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/v\/B4Ny9SMfABw&amp;feature\"><\/embed><\/object><\/p>\n<p><object classid=\"clsid:d27cdb6e-ae6d-11cf-96b8-444553540000\" width=\"480\" height=\"350\" codebase=\"http:\/\/download.macromedia.com\/pub\/shockwave\/cabs\/flash\/swflash.cab#version=6,0,40,0\"><param name=\"src\" value=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/v\/Pv997mGOIKY&amp;feature\" \/><embed type=\"application\/x-shockwave-flash\" width=\"480\" height=\"350\" src=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/v\/Pv997mGOIKY&amp;feature\"><\/embed><\/object><\/p>\n<p><em>* Materialele de pe acest site pot fi preluate doar cu acordul scris al Columbofil.net!<\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Update: Dup\u0103 apari\u021bia articolului, am mai primit ni\u0219te telefoane de la persoane credibile. Conform acestora, tot comitetul asocia\u021biei Timi\u0219 a fost pentru lansare la 10:30. A\u0219adar, lansarea s-a f\u0103cut la 10:30 la decizia comitetului de organizare zonal, format din T\u0103nase, Oka, Tunduc \u0219i Erdei. &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.. Azi \u0219tim cu to\u021bii c\u0103 decizia lans\u0103rii de la Amstetten [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":9,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[4],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-9050","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-articole"],"views":15069,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.columbofili.ro\/stiri\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/9050","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.columbofili.ro\/stiri\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.columbofili.ro\/stiri\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.columbofili.ro\/stiri\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/9"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.columbofili.ro\/stiri\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=9050"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.columbofili.ro\/stiri\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/9050\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.columbofili.ro\/stiri\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=9050"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.columbofili.ro\/stiri\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=9050"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.columbofili.ro\/stiri\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=9050"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}